[resource-net] a pre-pre-pre vorspiel - CiTiZEN KiNO 2nite at Panke E.V.

[podinski]

Hi all,

I've been so busy, i didn't get a chance to post my thoughts/notes re: the
re:source - "atomhub" platform Yet ... but will do that the next days...
if we're all still on the planet...

Meanwhile ... if yur around in Btown 2nite, all invited for a pre-pre-pre
vorspiel - CiTiZEN KiNO 2nite at Panke E.V.:

The XLterrestrials and some special guests will gather to say farewell and
good-riddance to the low-grade world. To celebrate the beginning of higher
consciousness!?? And to analyze these Straaaaaange times...

early show + Voku 2nite at 18:30h

and then a performance from Nomass Group later at 21:00h...

more details + links here:
http://xlterrestrials.org/plog/?p=9957

...

don't forget to set yur clock back to ZERO,
and see ya on the other side !!!

lgrrrtzz,

Dr. Podinski









http://xlterrestrials.org/plog/?p=9957
> Thanks Diana for your comments,
>
> it is very important to hear it, so we can organize meetings, invites and
> discussions in more detailed and clear way.
> Most of your observations are correct.
> One thing i would like to mention that these 4 or 5 members have at least
> 10 or 20 members in there own networking, who are involved but not attend
> the meetings for a different reasons. We expect each time new members will
> join.
> Union between places, curators and artists is needed to reach better
> results in many fields, attract larger audience and etc.
> We need to create constructive plans for information exchange and
> promotion.
> After few meetings we already got very nice ideas, how we could
> collaborate
> and organize things together.
> Looking forward for a next meeting and see you again.
>
> LG
> I wish everybody nice an peaceful end of the world
>
> p.s. if You have no plans join Panke, we have planed all day program!
>
> Erikah
> www.pankeculture.com
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Diana McCarty
> <diana.mccarty at googlemail.com
>> wrote:
>
>> Hi Erika,
>>
>> Maybe it is not so complicated. I ran into Pierre last night and we
>> discussed what confused us about this 4th meeting. We both thought it
>> was a
>> more general resource meeting - open to all the people / interests of
>> people on this mailing list. Maybe that is what Markus also thought.
>>
>> It seems that it is already more of a work group that is focused on
>> building this platform. The result of the earlier 3 meetings that were
>> announced on the resource mailing list. Hence, the name, content, plans
>> are
>> really about that platform - and not open for discussion in a more
>> general
>> way for resource list members.
>>
>> It seems that 4-5 people/groups are already invested in planning and
>> realizing the platform. It seems to be separate from resource. Ideally,
>> the
>> people/organizations/etc on this email list would use the platform. But
>> the
>> platform is its own thing and not meant to speak for or replace resource
>> (potential community or whatever comes from the interests of those on
>> this
>> list).
>>
>> Isn't that it? The platform is an independent project from a couple of
>> groups that likely relates to the interests of list members? If I get it
>> right, then this could simply be more clearly articulated.
>>
>> Personally, it was confusing to me what the thing was we were voting to
>> name - I understood it as more about resource in general. Not about a
>> project organized by individuals. Why would I vote on that at all? Or
>> intervene? (or be invited to discuss it :)
>>
>> I'm sure there is a more elegant way to describe this, but I do think it
>> would help. Hopefully, I don't have it all wrong!
>>
>> All best,
>>
>> Diana
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: "Erika ." <erika at ore.lt>
>>> Hey dear everybody and Marcus,
>>>
>>> I find the meeting yesterday interesting and important. The only thing
>>> I
>>> do not get, why we need to make everything so complicated? If artists,
>>> curators or places have no needs they will probably not attend such a
>>> meetings and will not join our community.
>>> When ReSource made first their meeting, they had also doubts about it
>>> importance.  But it worked out and already have very good results. For
>>> me
>>> personally one meeting or meeting once in three month was too less, I
>>> also
>>> got lost in the big crowd, was difficult to know each other.
>>> I want to post one more time our first invite to the meeting where
>>> Chris
>>> very clearly explain what is the purpose of the meeting.
>>>
>>> Berlin has over 400 commercial galleries and 150 non-commercial project
>>> spaces. In a scene still dominated by traditional media, how can spaces
>>> concentrating on innovative works in New Media, technology and the
>>> borders
>>> of the arts, science and technology raise their profile, attract a
>>> larger
>>> public, and gain access to more funding?
>>>
>>> We suggest creating a series of regular meetings, where curators and
>>> organizers can exchange information, search for synergies, and discuss
>>> common strategies for PR, fundraising and more.
>>>
>>> Our first meeting will be to discuss our common needs and goals and
>>> decide how we can best cooperate to achieve these. Bring your questions
>>> and
>>> ideas. Possible areas for discussion may include, but are not limited
>>> too:
>>>
>>> How can we raise the profile of 21st Century arts (New Media,
>>> technologically driven art, Electronic Music, Bio-art, Science Art,
>>> etc) in
>>> Berlin?
>>>
>>> What are the possibilities for common publicity platforms for spaces
>>> (e.g. a blog, website or flyer devoted to New Media exhibitions)?
>>>
>>> Possible strategies for funding. Arts vs. science, technology or
>>> educational funding. Partnerships with arts, educational or research
>>> organizations. Raising awareness at local, city and federal level of
>>> New
>>> Media arts projects to increase funding possibilities. Other ideas?
>>>
>>> Connecting to a larger public. What is our position in the city of
>>> Berlin?
>>> Do we want to provide our activities for a select public or to
>>> introduce
>>> our projects to a larger public? How do we go about doing this?
>>>
>>> I hope it helps to understand more about what happens in regular
>>> meetings.
>>>
>>> LLLG
>>> Erika
>>>
>>>
>>> This will also be a chance to come together and get to know one another
>>> better.
>>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Markus Huber
>>> <mh at transmediale.de>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  hi,
>>>>
>>>> thanks to michelle and supermarkt again for hosting.
>>>>
>>>> it was a nice (network internet collaboration eculture) discussion,
>>>> but
>>>> i also had my difficulties to understand it and get access to it. i
>>>> got the
>>>> impression, that there have been at least 2 parallel streams of
>>>> interest
>>>> going on: the one for a very specific working group with the goal to
>>>> setup
>>>> the discussed platform and another one, which seemed to be interested
>>>> in
>>>> something, that could be understood as a more general community
>>>> exchange
>>>> with the goal to get to know each other.
>>>>
>>>> speaking for myself, i also missunderstood this meeting, tought it
>>>> would
>>>> be part of a community building process, open discussion and
>>>> introduction
>>>> of new people, new spaces, questions, content, etc.
>>>>
>>>> though but it was clearly formulated (agenda) and also communicated
>>>> (minutes + mailinglist) as a specific discussion, this intention fo a
>>>> focussed discussion is challenged and gets disrupted, when the group
>>>> of
>>>> people attending, is not always the same and as such might also coming
>>>> with
>>>> different agendas and expectations.
>>>>
>>>> so for the next meeting i would be interested to hear, if it will be
>>>> more sort of a working meeting to further develop the platform at0m
>>>> (...)
>>>> or, if it will be a more open discussion and meeting on projects,
>>>> difficulties of production, challenges of communication and visibility
>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>> would be happy to attend both.
>>>>
>>>> all best,
>>>> markus
>>>>
>>>> ps: i would suggest a working group, that is actually dedicated to
>>>> discuss the individual profile / situation of the spaces, their
>>>> strategies
>>>> of how to connect with their audiences, create visibility and
>>>> engagement
>>>> and find possibly ways of how to create synergies with the same, but
>>>> different audiences; to discuss and focus maybe also on what
>>>> competences
>>>> are existing and what competences are lacking in order to use the
>>>> resource
>>>> of this network filling these gaps, building toolkits, etc.
>>>>
>>>> pps: will check again the ciant website and how far the beta version
>>>> has
>>>> been developed and send you then a link to the mailinglist, so you can
>>>> check out, if it could be helpful for the platform building process.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 12.12.12 08:40, schrieb Michelle O'Brien:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to all of you who came along last night! It was our pleasure to
>>>> host you at SUPERMARKT.
>>>>
>>>> It was also nice to put some names to faces and meet some more members
>>>> of this important community / network / platform / resource / reSource
>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>> I will send around the protocol in the coming days.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Michelle
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Michelle O'Brien*
>>>> Creative Producer
>>>>
>>>> SUPERMARKT
>>>> Brunnenstrasse 64
>>>> D-13355 Berlin
>>>>
>>>> Office:
>>>> SUPERMARKT STUDIOS
>>>> Brunnenstrasse 69, Studio 2
>>>> D-13355 Berlin
>>>>
>>>> +49 1577 656 7378
>>>> michelle at supermarkt-berlin.net
>>>> www.supermarkt-berlin.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> ♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇
>>>> Markus Huber ✈ festival manager
>>>> transmediale 2013 BW*P*WA*P* <http://www.transmediale.de/> ◒♇ Haus
>>>> der
>>>> Kulturen der Welt ♇◓ Berlin/DE:29.01-03.02
>>>>
>>>> transmediale â™’ festival for art and digital culture berlin
>>>> Klosterstr. 68, 10179 Berlin, Germany â™’ fon +49 30 24749 761 â™’ fax
>>>> +49
>>>> 30 24749 763
>>>> Kulturprojekte Berlin GmbH â™’ Amtsgericht Berlin Charlottenburg, HRB
>>>> 41312 B
>>>> Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender André Schmitz ♒ Geschäftsführer Moritz
>>>> van
>>>> Dülmen
>>>>
>>>> http://www.transmediale.de â„¢ find us also on
>>>> twitter<http://twitter.com/transmediale>
>>>> , flickr <http://www.flickr.com/photos/transmediale/sets/>,
>>>> vimeo<http://vimeo.com/transmediale>
>>>>  and... facebook <http://www.facebook.com/transmediale>
>>>> ♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇
>>>>
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>>>> resource-net at transmediale.de
>>>>
>>>> http://mailman.transmediale.de/mailman/listinfo/resource-net-transmediale.de
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Diana McCarty <diana.mccarty at googlemail.com>
>>> To: resource-net at transmediale.de
>>> Cc:
>>> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:09:58 +0100
>>> Subject: [resource-net] nice open source project / voting not
>>> crowdfunding
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> not really digital, but open source... But maybe support it with a
>>> little social media vote.
>>> Ha, at least it is not crowdfunding!
>>>
>>> d
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.mybusinessbacker.de/challengeaccepted/s-ren-die-urlaubsbew-sserung/details.html
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> ***
>>> reboot.fm
>>> Freies Künstlerradio aus Berlin!
>>> 88,4 MHz in Berlin & 90,7 MHz in Potsdam.
>>>
>>> ***
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: "podinski" <pod at xlterrestrials.org>
>>> To: "Erika ." <erika at ore.lt>
>>> Cc: resource-net at transmediale.de
>>> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:52:20 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [resource-net] 4th Meeting and Roundtable...
>>> Hi Erika et al,
>>>
>>> Thx Erika for reposting these basic interests + questions from the
>>> initial
>>> meeting(s)... that's very helpful !!!
>>>
>>> I was trying to think all day about how things got pulled a little off
>>> track ( but to be honest, i wasn't 100% sure of which track ) and what
>>> constructive perspective i could share...
>>>
>>> > regular meetings, where curators and organizers can exchange
>>> information, search for synergies, and discuss common strategies for
>>> PR,
>>> fundraising and more. <
>>>
>>> That's soooo doable : ) ... so now i'm Much More Optimistic !
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> There were 2 parts to this meeting, and maybe the delineation got a
>>> little
>>> blurred.
>>>
>>> 1. >>open discussion and introduction of new people, new spaces,
>>> questions, content, etc.<< as Markus writes
>>>
>>> 2. and a clearly formatted, pre-posted agenda, which was primarily
>>> focusing on a digital platform for this new network... ( since these
>>> spaces + projects could benefit greatly from exposure, and a hub, which
>>> highlights this activity/territory in berlin.  )
>>>
>>> Maybe these 2 things could continue together in these (monthly)
>>> meetings,
>>> part 1 - break - part 2, and/or there could already be a separate
>>> breakout
>>> group to further develop this web platform goal/task.
>>>
>>> ( i have some suggestions for that platform, i'll save for another post
>>> )
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> ANd to add a little analysis...
>>>
>>> I thought it was great that so many people from Transmediale could come
>>> to
>>> take part... and i'm still trying to answer for myself Danielle's and
>>> Kristoffer's questions...
>>>
>>> 1. What do the individuals here envision from this (network) ? (D.)
>>> 2. How can Transmediale be a resource for us ? ( K.)
>>>
>>> ( i hope i remembered those correctly )
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> For me, I have seen a number of Transmediales now, and there are often
>>> fantastic social contextualizations and perspectives for new media's
>>> impacts on our lives , i.e. the big picture. And i DO miss these kinds
>>> of
>>> insights and this dose of gravity during the rest of the year...
>>>
>>> But also from a critical side, there is an aspect of its
>>> Spectacle/Festival nature, i.e. this "intellectual art circus" that
>>> comes
>>> to town for a week, and then sort of packs up the tent and everybody
>>> goes
>>> home... and those ideas do not generally take any roots.
>>>
>>> So it was very ingenious AND logical that Re:Source began thinking of
>>> how
>>> to be more engaged with the local terrain, local actors, local issues,
>>> local infrastructures...
>>>
>>> [ Is THIS not one of THE BIG and Important currents in the arts n tech
>>> worlds ?? ... b/c well, u could say : 'showtime' is sorta over folks,
>>> things are getting serious ! Things are getting very F**(sur)Real ! And
>>> We
>>> ALL NEED arts, tech and science to help solve some huge social +
>>> planet-scale problems. ]
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Funny no one mentioned the economic crisis...
>>>
>>> Somewhere along the line, i could hear at least one split forming in
>>> the
>>> needs and desires in our gathering:
>>>
>>> Those coming from a funded insitutional-ish side of things were seeing
>>> a
>>> Furtherfield / Rhizome-like discussions forum + platform, and the
>>> galeries
>>> and projects - which are often hanging by threads - struggling to find
>>> practical ways just to proceed and keep their projects ALIVE ...
>>>
>>> So this is going to be a trick to put these two things together, but i
>>> think it will be a fascinating network for BOTH, to be in dialogue AND
>>> praxis and support, and analyzing together.
>>>
>>> i personally like the idea that we are forming an ALLIANCE of sorts...
>>>
>>> all the best,
>>>
>>> Paolo ( aka Pod )
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Hey dear everybody and Marcus,
>>> > I find the meeting yesterday interesting and important. The only
>>> thing
>>> I do
>>> > not get, why we need to make everything so complicated? If artists,
>>> curators or places have no needs they will probably not attend such a
>>> meetings and will not join our community.
>>> > When ReSource made first their meeting, they had also doubts about it
>>> importance.  But it worked out and already have very good results. For
>>> me
>>> > personally one meeting or meeting once in three month was too less, I
>>> also
>>> > got lost in the big crowd, was difficult to know each other.
>>> > I want to post one more time our first invite to the meeting where
>>> Chris
>>> very clearly explain what is the purpose of the meeting.
>>> > Berlin has over 400 commercial galleries and 150 non-commercial
>>> project
>>> spaces. In a scene still dominated by traditional media, how can spaces
>>> concentrating on innovative works in New Media, technology and the
>>> borders
>>> > of the arts, science and technology raise their profile, attract a
>>> larger
>>> > public, and gain access to more funding?
>>> > We suggest creating a series of regular meetings, where curators and
>>> organizers can exchange information, search for synergies, and discuss
>>> common strategies for PR, fundraising and more.
>>> > Our first meeting will be to discuss our common needs and goals and
>>> decide
>>> > how we can best cooperate to achieve these. Bring your questions and
>>> ideas.
>>> > Possible areas for discussion may include, but are not limited too:
>>> How
>>> can we raise the profile of 21st Century arts (New Media,
>>> > technologically driven art, Electronic Music, Bio-art, Science Art,
>>> etc) in
>>> > Berlin?
>>> > What are the possibilities for common publicity platforms for spaces
>>> (e.g.
>>> > a blog, website or flyer devoted to New Media exhibitions)?
>>> > Possible strategies for funding. Arts vs. science, technology or
>>> educational funding. Partnerships with arts, educational or research
>>> organizations. Raising awareness at local, city and federal level of
>>> New
>>> Media arts projects to increase funding possibilities. Other ideas?
>>> Connecting to a larger public. What is our position in the city of
>>> Berlin?
>>> > Do we want to provide our activities for a select public or to
>>> introduce
>>> our projects to a larger public? How do we go about doing this?
>>> > I hope it helps to understand more about what happens in regular
>>> meetings.
>>> > LLLG
>>> > Erika
>>> > This will also be a chance to come together and get to know one
>>> another
>>> better.
>>> > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Markus Huber <mh at transmediale.de>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>  hi,
>>> >> thanks to michelle and supermarkt again for hosting.
>>> >> it was a nice (network internet collaboration eculture) discussion,
>>> but i
>>> >> also had my difficulties to understand it and get access to it. i
>>> got
>>> the
>>> >> impression, that there have been at least 2 parallel streams of
>>> interest
>>> >> going on: the one for a very specific working group with the goal to
>>> setup
>>> >> the discussed platform and another one, which seemed to be
>>> interested
>>> in
>>> >> something, that could be understood as a more general community
>>> exchange
>>> >> with the goal to get to know each other.
>>> >> speaking for myself, i also missunderstood this meeting, tought it
>>> would
>>> >> be part of a community building process, open discussion and
>>> >> introduction
>>> >> of new people, new spaces, questions, content, etc.
>>> >> though but it was clearly formulated (agenda) and also communicated
>>> (minutes + mailinglist) as a specific discussion, this intention fo a
>>> focussed discussion is challenged and gets disrupted, when the group of
>>> people attending, is not always the same and as such might also coming
>>> with
>>> >> different agendas and expectations.
>>> >> so for the next meeting i would be interested to hear, if it will be
>>> more
>>> >> sort of a working meeting to further develop the platform at0m (...)
>>> or,
>>> >> if
>>> >> it will be a more open discussion and meeting on projects,
>>> difficulties of
>>> >> production, challenges of communication and visibility etc.
>>> >> would be happy to attend both.
>>> >> all best,
>>> >> markus
>>> >> ps: i would suggest a working group, that is actually dedicated to
>>> discuss
>>> >> the individual profile / situation of the spaces, their strategies
>>> of
>>> how
>>> >> to connect with their audiences, create visibility and engagement
>>> and
>>> find
>>> >> possibly ways of how to create synergies with the same, but
>>> different
>>> audiences; to discuss and focus maybe also on what competences are
>>> existing
>>> >> and what competences are lacking in order to use the resource of
>>> this
>>> network filling these gaps, building toolkits, etc.
>>> >> pps: will check again the ciant website and how far the beta version
>>> has
>>> >> been developed and send you then a link to the mailinglist, so you
>>> can
>>> check out, if it could be helpful for the platform building process. Am
>>> 12.12.12 08:40, schrieb Michelle O'Brien:
>>> >> Thanks to all of you who came along last night! It was our pleasure
>>> to
>>> host you at SUPERMARKT.
>>> >> It was also nice to put some names to faces and meet some more
>>> members
>>> of
>>> >> this important community / network / platform / resource / reSource
>>> ;-)
>>> I will send around the protocol in the coming days.
>>> >> Best wishes,
>>> >> Michelle
>>> >> --
>>> >> *Michelle O'Brien*
>>> >> Creative Producer
>>> >> SUPERMARKT
>>> >> Brunnenstrasse 64
>>> >> D-13355 Berlin
>>> >> Office:
>>> >> SUPERMARKT STUDIOS
>>> >> Brunnenstrasse 69, Studio 2
>>> >> D-13355 Berlin
>>> >> +49 1577 656 7378
>>> >> michelle at supermarkt-berlin.net
>>> >> www.supermarkt-berlin.net
>>> >> --
>>> >> ♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇
>>> Markus Huber ✈ festival manager
>>> >> transmediale 2013 BW*P*WA*P* <http://www.transmediale.de/> ◒♇
>>> Haus der
>>> >> Kulturen der Welt ♇◓ Berlin/DE:29.01-03.02
>>> >> transmediale â™’ festival for art and digital culture berlin
>>> >> Klosterstr. 68, 10179 Berlin, Germany â™’ fon +49 30 24749 761 â™’
>>> fax
>>> +49 30
>>> >> 24749 763
>>> >> Kulturprojekte Berlin GmbH â™’ Amtsgericht Berlin Charlottenburg,
>>> HRB
>>> 41312 B
>>> >> Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender André Schmitz ♒ Geschäftsführer
>>> Moritz
>>> van Dülmen
>>> >> http://www.transmediale.de â„¢ find us also on
>>> >> twitter<http://twitter.com/transmediale>
>>> >> , flickr <http://www.flickr.com/photos/transmediale/sets/>,
>>> >> vimeo<http://vimeo.com/transmediale>
>>> >>  and... facebook <http://www.facebook.com/transmediale>
>>> >> ♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇
>>> --
>>> >> resource-net mailing list
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>>> >>
>>> http://mailman.transmediale.de/mailman/listinfo/resource-net-transmediale.de
>>> > --
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>>> >
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>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> ***
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>>
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