[resource-net] 4th Meeting and Roundtable: SUPERMARKT

Wed Dec 19 18:02:46 CET 2012

Thanks Diana for your comments,

it is very important to hear it, so we can organize meetings, invites and
discussions in more detailed and clear way.
Most of your observations are correct.
One thing i would like to mention that these 4 or 5 members have at least
10 or 20 members in there own networking, who are involved but not attend
the meetings for a different reasons. We expect each time new members will
join.
Union between places, curators and artists is needed to reach better
results in many fields, attract larger audience and etc.
We need to create constructive plans for information exchange and promotion.
After few meetings we already got very nice ideas, how we could collaborate
and organize things together.
Looking forward for a next meeting and see you again.

LG
I wish everybody nice an peaceful end of the world

p.s. if You have no plans join Panke, we have planed all day program!

Erikah
www.pankeculture.com

On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Diana McCarty <diana.mccarty at googlemail.com
> wrote:

> Hi Erika,
>
> Maybe it is not so complicated. I ran into Pierre last night and we
> discussed what confused us about this 4th meeting. We both thought it was a
> more general resource meeting - open to all the people / interests of
> people on this mailing list. Maybe that is what Markus also thought.
>
> It seems that it is already more of a work group that is focused on
> building this platform. The result of the earlier 3 meetings that were
> announced on the resource mailing list. Hence, the name, content, plans are
> really about that platform - and not open for discussion in a more general
> way for resource list members.
>
> It seems that 4-5 people/groups are already invested in planning and
> realizing the platform. It seems to be separate from resource. Ideally, the
> people/organizations/etc on this email list would use the platform. But the
> platform is its own thing and not meant to speak for or replace resource
> (potential community or whatever comes from the interests of those on this
> list).
>
> Isn't that it? The platform is an independent project from a couple of
> groups that likely relates to the interests of list members? If I get it
> right, then this could simply be more clearly articulated.
>
> Personally, it was confusing to me what the thing was we were voting to
> name - I understood it as more about resource in general. Not about a
> project organized by individuals. Why would I vote on that at all? Or
> intervene? (or be invited to discuss it :)
>
> I'm sure there is a more elegant way to describe this, but I do think it
> would help. Hopefully, I don't have it all wrong!
>
> All best,
>
> Diana
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Erika ." <erika at ore.lt>
>> Hey dear everybody and Marcus,
>>
>> I find the meeting yesterday interesting and important. The only thing I
>> do not get, why we need to make everything so complicated? If artists,
>> curators or places have no needs they will probably not attend such a
>> meetings and will not join our community.
>> When ReSource made first their meeting, they had also doubts about it
>> importance.  But it worked out and already have very good results. For me
>> personally one meeting or meeting once in three month was too less, I also
>> got lost in the big crowd, was difficult to know each other.
>> I want to post one more time our first invite to the meeting where Chris
>> very clearly explain what is the purpose of the meeting.
>>
>> Berlin has over 400 commercial galleries and 150 non-commercial project
>> spaces. In a scene still dominated by traditional media, how can spaces
>> concentrating on innovative works in New Media, technology and the borders
>> of the arts, science and technology raise their profile, attract a larger
>> public, and gain access to more funding?
>>
>> We suggest creating a series of regular meetings, where curators and
>> organizers can exchange information, search for synergies, and discuss
>> common strategies for PR, fundraising and more.
>>
>> Our first meeting will be to discuss our common needs and goals and
>> decide how we can best cooperate to achieve these. Bring your questions and
>> ideas. Possible areas for discussion may include, but are not limited too:
>>
>> How can we raise the profile of 21st Century arts (New Media,
>> technologically driven art, Electronic Music, Bio-art, Science Art, etc) in
>> Berlin?
>>
>> What are the possibilities for common publicity platforms for spaces
>> (e.g. a blog, website or flyer devoted to New Media exhibitions)?
>>
>> Possible strategies for funding. Arts vs. science, technology or
>> educational funding. Partnerships with arts, educational or research
>> organizations. Raising awareness at local, city and federal level of New
>> Media arts projects to increase funding possibilities. Other ideas?
>>
>> Connecting to a larger public. What is our position in the city of Berlin?
>> Do we want to provide our activities for a select public or to introduce
>> our projects to a larger public? How do we go about doing this?
>>
>> I hope it helps to understand more about what happens in regular meetings.
>>
>> LLLG
>> Erika
>>
>>
>> This will also be a chance to come together and get to know one another
>> better.
>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Markus Huber <mh at transmediale.de>wrote:
>>
>>>  hi,
>>>
>>> thanks to michelle and supermarkt again for hosting.
>>>
>>> it was a nice (network internet collaboration eculture) discussion, but
>>> i also had my difficulties to understand it and get access to it. i got the
>>> impression, that there have been at least 2 parallel streams of interest
>>> going on: the one for a very specific working group with the goal to setup
>>> the discussed platform and another one, which seemed to be interested in
>>> something, that could be understood as a more general community exchange
>>> with the goal to get to know each other.
>>>
>>> speaking for myself, i also missunderstood this meeting, tought it would
>>> be part of a community building process, open discussion and introduction
>>> of new people, new spaces, questions, content, etc.
>>>
>>> though but it was clearly formulated (agenda) and also communicated
>>> (minutes + mailinglist) as a specific discussion, this intention fo a
>>> focussed discussion is challenged and gets disrupted, when the group of
>>> people attending, is not always the same and as such might also coming with
>>> different agendas and expectations.
>>>
>>> so for the next meeting i would be interested to hear, if it will be
>>> more sort of a working meeting to further develop the platform at0m (...)
>>> or, if it will be a more open discussion and meeting on projects,
>>> difficulties of production, challenges of communication and visibility etc.
>>>
>>> would be happy to attend both.
>>>
>>> all best,
>>> markus
>>>
>>> ps: i would suggest a working group, that is actually dedicated to
>>> discuss the individual profile / situation of the spaces, their strategies
>>> of how to connect with their audiences, create visibility and engagement
>>> and find possibly ways of how to create synergies with the same, but
>>> different audiences; to discuss and focus maybe also on what competences
>>> are existing and what competences are lacking in order to use the resource
>>> of this network filling these gaps, building toolkits, etc.
>>>
>>> pps: will check again the ciant website and how far the beta version has
>>> been developed and send you then a link to the mailinglist, so you can
>>> check out, if it could be helpful for the platform building process.
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 12.12.12 08:40, schrieb Michelle O'Brien:
>>>
>>> Thanks to all of you who came along last night! It was our pleasure to
>>> host you at SUPERMARKT.
>>>
>>> It was also nice to put some names to faces and meet some more members
>>> of this important community / network / platform / resource / reSource ;-)
>>>
>>> I will send around the protocol in the coming days.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Michelle
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Michelle O'Brien*
>>> Creative Producer
>>>
>>> SUPERMARKT
>>> Brunnenstrasse 64
>>> D-13355 Berlin
>>>
>>> Office:
>>> SUPERMARKT STUDIOS
>>> Brunnenstrasse 69, Studio 2
>>> D-13355 Berlin
>>>
>>> +49 1577 656 7378
>>> michelle at supermarkt-berlin.net
>>> www.supermarkt-berlin.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> ♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇
>>> Markus Huber ✈ festival manager
>>> transmediale 2013 BW*P*WA*P* <http://www.transmediale.de/> ◒♇ Haus der
>>> Kulturen der Welt ♇◓ Berlin/DE:29.01-03.02
>>>
>>> transmediale ♒ festival for art and digital culture berlin
>>> Klosterstr. 68, 10179 Berlin, Germany ♒ fon +49 30 24749 761 ♒ fax +49
>>> 30 24749 763
>>> Kulturprojekte Berlin GmbH ♒ Amtsgericht Berlin Charlottenburg, HRB
>>> 41312 B
>>> Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender André Schmitz ♒ Geschäftsführer Moritz van
>>> Dülmen
>>>
>>> http://www.transmediale.de ™ find us also on twitter<http://twitter.com/transmediale>
>>> , flickr <http://www.flickr.com/photos/transmediale/sets/>, vimeo<http://vimeo.com/transmediale>
>>>  and... facebook <http://www.facebook.com/transmediale>
>>> ♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Diana McCarty <diana.mccarty at googlemail.com>
>> To: resource-net at transmediale.de
>> Cc:
>> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:09:58 +0100
>> Subject: [resource-net] nice open source project / voting not crowdfunding
>> Hi All,
>>
>> not really digital, but open source... But maybe support it with a
>> little social media vote.
>> Ha, at least it is not crowdfunding!
>>
>> d
>>
>>
>> https://www.mybusinessbacker.de/challengeaccepted/s-ren-die-urlaubsbew-sserung/details.html
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> ***
>> reboot.fm
>> Freies Künstlerradio aus Berlin!
>> 88,4 MHz in Berlin & 90,7 MHz in Potsdam.
>>
>> ***
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "podinski" <pod at xlterrestrials.org>
>> To: "Erika ." <erika at ore.lt>
>> Cc: resource-net at transmediale.de
>> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:52:20 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [resource-net] 4th Meeting and Roundtable...
>> Hi Erika et al,
>>
>> Thx Erika for reposting these basic interests + questions from the initial
>> meeting(s)... that's very helpful !!!
>>
>> I was trying to think all day about how things got pulled a little off
>> track ( but to be honest, i wasn't 100% sure of which track ) and what
>> constructive perspective i could share...
>>
>> > regular meetings, where curators and organizers can exchange
>> information, search for synergies, and discuss common strategies for PR,
>> fundraising and more. <
>>
>> That's soooo doable : ) ... so now i'm Much More Optimistic !
>>
>> ...
>>
>> There were 2 parts to this meeting, and maybe the delineation got a little
>> blurred.
>>
>> 1. >>open discussion and introduction of new people, new spaces,
>> questions, content, etc.<< as Markus writes
>>
>> 2. and a clearly formatted, pre-posted agenda, which was primarily
>> focusing on a digital platform for this new network... ( since these
>> spaces + projects could benefit greatly from exposure, and a hub, which
>> highlights this activity/territory in berlin.  )
>>
>> Maybe these 2 things could continue together in these (monthly) meetings,
>> part 1 - break - part 2, and/or there could already be a separate breakout
>> group to further develop this web platform goal/task.
>>
>> ( i have some suggestions for that platform, i'll save for another post )
>>
>> ...
>>
>> ANd to add a little analysis...
>>
>> I thought it was great that so many people from Transmediale could come to
>> take part... and i'm still trying to answer for myself Danielle's and
>> Kristoffer's questions...
>>
>> 1. What do the individuals here envision from this (network) ? (D.)
>> 2. How can Transmediale be a resource for us ? ( K.)
>>
>> ( i hope i remembered those correctly )
>>
>> ...
>>
>> For me, I have seen a number of Transmediales now, and there are often
>> fantastic social contextualizations and perspectives for new media's
>> impacts on our lives , i.e. the big picture. And i DO miss these kinds of
>> insights and this dose of gravity during the rest of the year...
>>
>> But also from a critical side, there is an aspect of its
>> Spectacle/Festival nature, i.e. this "intellectual art circus" that comes
>> to town for a week, and then sort of packs up the tent and everybody goes
>> home... and those ideas do not generally take any roots.
>>
>> So it was very ingenious AND logical that Re:Source began thinking of how
>> to be more engaged with the local terrain, local actors, local issues,
>> local infrastructures...
>>
>> [ Is THIS not one of THE BIG and Important currents in the arts n tech
>> worlds ?? ... b/c well, u could say : 'showtime' is sorta over folks,
>> things are getting serious ! Things are getting very F**(sur)Real ! And We
>> ALL NEED arts, tech and science to help solve some huge social +
>> planet-scale problems. ]
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Funny no one mentioned the economic crisis...
>>
>> Somewhere along the line, i could hear at least one split forming in the
>> needs and desires in our gathering:
>>
>> Those coming from a funded insitutional-ish side of things were seeing a
>> Furtherfield / Rhizome-like discussions forum + platform, and the galeries
>> and projects - which are often hanging by threads - struggling to find
>> practical ways just to proceed and keep their projects ALIVE ...
>>
>> So this is going to be a trick to put these two things together, but i
>> think it will be a fascinating network for BOTH, to be in dialogue AND
>> praxis and support, and analyzing together.
>>
>> i personally like the idea that we are forming an ALLIANCE of sorts...
>>
>> all the best,
>>
>> Paolo ( aka Pod )
>>
>> 0----O----o
>> www.xlterrestrials.org/plog
>> arts + praxis organisms
>> o-----O------0
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hey dear everybody and Marcus,
>> > I find the meeting yesterday interesting and important. The only thing
>> I do
>> > not get, why we need to make everything so complicated? If artists,
>> curators or places have no needs they will probably not attend such a
>> meetings and will not join our community.
>> > When ReSource made first their meeting, they had also doubts about it
>> importance.  But it worked out and already have very good results. For
>> me
>> > personally one meeting or meeting once in three month was too less, I
>> also
>> > got lost in the big crowd, was difficult to know each other.
>> > I want to post one more time our first invite to the meeting where Chris
>> very clearly explain what is the purpose of the meeting.
>> > Berlin has over 400 commercial galleries and 150 non-commercial project
>> spaces. In a scene still dominated by traditional media, how can spaces
>> concentrating on innovative works in New Media, technology and the
>> borders
>> > of the arts, science and technology raise their profile, attract a
>> larger
>> > public, and gain access to more funding?
>> > We suggest creating a series of regular meetings, where curators and
>> organizers can exchange information, search for synergies, and discuss
>> common strategies for PR, fundraising and more.
>> > Our first meeting will be to discuss our common needs and goals and
>> decide
>> > how we can best cooperate to achieve these. Bring your questions and
>> ideas.
>> > Possible areas for discussion may include, but are not limited too: How
>> can we raise the profile of 21st Century arts (New Media,
>> > technologically driven art, Electronic Music, Bio-art, Science Art,
>> etc) in
>> > Berlin?
>> > What are the possibilities for common publicity platforms for spaces
>> (e.g.
>> > a blog, website or flyer devoted to New Media exhibitions)?
>> > Possible strategies for funding. Arts vs. science, technology or
>> educational funding. Partnerships with arts, educational or research
>> organizations. Raising awareness at local, city and federal level of New
>> Media arts projects to increase funding possibilities. Other ideas?
>> Connecting to a larger public. What is our position in the city of
>> Berlin?
>> > Do we want to provide our activities for a select public or to introduce
>> our projects to a larger public? How do we go about doing this?
>> > I hope it helps to understand more about what happens in regular
>> meetings.
>> > LLLG
>> > Erika
>> > This will also be a chance to come together and get to know one another
>> better.
>> > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Markus Huber <mh at transmediale.de>
>> wrote:
>> >>  hi,
>> >> thanks to michelle and supermarkt again for hosting.
>> >> it was a nice (network internet collaboration eculture) discussion,
>> but i
>> >> also had my difficulties to understand it and get access to it. i got
>> the
>> >> impression, that there have been at least 2 parallel streams of
>> interest
>> >> going on: the one for a very specific working group with the goal to
>> setup
>> >> the discussed platform and another one, which seemed to be interested
>> in
>> >> something, that could be understood as a more general community
>> exchange
>> >> with the goal to get to know each other.
>> >> speaking for myself, i also missunderstood this meeting, tought it
>> would
>> >> be part of a community building process, open discussion and
>> >> introduction
>> >> of new people, new spaces, questions, content, etc.
>> >> though but it was clearly formulated (agenda) and also communicated
>> (minutes + mailinglist) as a specific discussion, this intention fo a
>> focussed discussion is challenged and gets disrupted, when the group of
>> people attending, is not always the same and as such might also coming
>> with
>> >> different agendas and expectations.
>> >> so for the next meeting i would be interested to hear, if it will be
>> more
>> >> sort of a working meeting to further develop the platform at0m (...)
>> or,
>> >> if
>> >> it will be a more open discussion and meeting on projects,
>> difficulties of
>> >> production, challenges of communication and visibility etc.
>> >> would be happy to attend both.
>> >> all best,
>> >> markus
>> >> ps: i would suggest a working group, that is actually dedicated to
>> discuss
>> >> the individual profile / situation of the spaces, their strategies of
>> how
>> >> to connect with their audiences, create visibility and engagement and
>> find
>> >> possibly ways of how to create synergies with the same, but different
>> audiences; to discuss and focus maybe also on what competences are
>> existing
>> >> and what competences are lacking in order to use the resource of this
>> network filling these gaps, building toolkits, etc.
>> >> pps: will check again the ciant website and how far the beta version
>> has
>> >> been developed and send you then a link to the mailinglist, so you can
>> check out, if it could be helpful for the platform building process. Am
>> 12.12.12 08:40, schrieb Michelle O'Brien:
>> >> Thanks to all of you who came along last night! It was our pleasure to
>> host you at SUPERMARKT.
>> >> It was also nice to put some names to faces and meet some more members
>> of
>> >> this important community / network / platform / resource / reSource ;-)
>> I will send around the protocol in the coming days.
>> >> Best wishes,
>> >> Michelle
>> >> --
>> >> *Michelle O'Brien*
>> >> Creative Producer
>> >> SUPERMARKT
>> >> Brunnenstrasse 64
>> >> D-13355 Berlin
>> >> Office:
>> >> SUPERMARKT STUDIOS
>> >> Brunnenstrasse 69, Studio 2
>> >> D-13355 Berlin
>> >> +49 1577 656 7378
>> >> michelle at supermarkt-berlin.net
>> >> www.supermarkt-berlin.net
>> >> --
>> >> ♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇
>> Markus Huber ✈ festival manager
>> >> transmediale 2013 BW*P*WA*P* <http://www.transmediale.de/> ◒♇ Haus der
>> >> Kulturen der Welt ♇◓ Berlin/DE:29.01-03.02
>> >> transmediale ♒ festival for art and digital culture berlin
>> >> Klosterstr. 68, 10179 Berlin, Germany ♒ fon +49 30 24749 761 ♒ fax
>> +49 30
>> >> 24749 763
>> >> Kulturprojekte Berlin GmbH ♒ Amtsgericht Berlin Charlottenburg, HRB
>> 41312 B
>> >> Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender André Schmitz ♒ Geschäftsführer Moritz
>> van Dülmen
>> >> http://www.transmediale.de ™ find us also on
>> >> twitter<http://twitter.com/transmediale>
>> >> , flickr <http://www.flickr.com/photos/transmediale/sets/>,
>> >> vimeo<http://vimeo.com/transmediale>
>> >>  and... facebook <http://www.facebook.com/transmediale>
>> >> ♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇♇
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>> >
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>>
>>
>> 0----O----o
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>> o-----O------0
>>
>>
>>
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